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It was a royal summit on Tuesday as the Duchess of Sussex—and current Princess of Podcasting—and the Queen of Christmas (trademark pending) met for a new episode of Meghan Markle’s Archetypes. The podcast premiered last week on Spotify with Serena Williams as the first guest for a discussion about the double standard of female ambition, and its debut topped the streamer’s charts, besting even The Joe Rogan Experience—a cause we can all get behind.
It’s a high bar to meet for Archetype’s second episode, which is probably why Markle brought in the only combination of guest and topic that could do it: Mariah Carey, talking about “the duality of diva.”