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Reddit CEO says the mods leading a punishing blackout are too powerful and he will change the site’s rules to weaken them<!-- wp:html --><p>Reddit CEO Steve Huffman.</p> <p class="copyright">Zach Gibson/Getty Images</p> <p>Reddit CEO Steve Huffman thinks the site's mods are too powerful.<br /> He said he plans to change the rules so users can vote them out.<br /> He said the current system is "not democratic" and compared it to a "landed gentry."</p> <p>Reddit CEO Steve Huffman thinks the site's mods are too powerful. He said he plans to change the rules so users have the power to vote the moderators of subreddits out, <a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/reddit-protest-blackout-ceo-steve-huffman-moderators-rcna89544" target="_blank" rel="noopener">in an interview with NBC</a> on Thursday.</p> <p>He said the current system, where mods can only be removed by themselves, higher-ranking mods, or Reddit itself, is "not democratic" and compared it to a "landed gentry."</p> <p>"If you're a politician or a business owner, you are accountable to your constituents. So a politician needs to be elected, and a business owner can be fired by its shareholders," he told NBC.</p> <p>"And I think, on Reddit, the analogy is closer to the landed gentry: The people who get there first get to stay there and pass it down to their descendants, and that is not democratic."</p> <p>Huffman's comments followed a 48-hour blackout that close to 3,500 subreddits took part in on Monday and Tuesday, where users <a href="https://www.businessinsider.com/reddit-users-plan-blackout-protest-new-pricing-policy-2023-6?r=US&IR=T">protested Reddit's new pricing policy</a>.</p> <p>Reddit implemented charges for third-party apps using its application programming interface (API), which used to be free.</p> <p>The iOS app Apollo, for example, which has been using the API for eight years, said it would cost $20 million to continue under the new pricing guidelines. Rather than pay, the app's developer Christian Selig said it would be closing down on June 30, <a href="https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/05/reddits-api-pricing-results-in-shocking-20-million-a-year-bill-for-apollo/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Ars Technica reported</a>.</p> <p>"I don't see how this pricing is anything based in reality or remotely reasonable," he said per Ars Technica. "I hope it goes without saying that I don't have that kind of money or would even know how to charge it to a credit card."</p> <p>Reddit mods hold a lot of power, and many believe it has been earned due to the amount of unpaid labor they put into the site. Researchers from University of Minnesota Twin Cities and Northwestern University estimated <a href="https://ojs.aaai.org/index.php/ICWSM/article/view/19318" target="_blank" rel="noopener">in a study last year</a> that the amount of hours worked by mods in 2020 was worth $3.4 million.</p> <p>Huffman didn't appear worried that another rule change would result in more protests. He told NBC it was "really important" to ensure "protests, now or in the future, are actually representative of their communities."</p> <p>"And I think that may have been the case for many at the beginning of this week, but that's less and less the case as time goes on," he said, suggesting the support for mods may be wavering.</p> <p>While around 80% of subreddits are accessible again, some large ones including r/aww, r/videos, and r/AskHistorians remain inaccessible, saying in a recent post titled "<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/Save3rdPartyApps/comments/148m42t/the_fight_continues/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">The Fight Continues</a>" that their "core concerns still aren't satisfied."</p> <p>"Reddit <em>has</em> budged-microscopically," the organizers wrote. "Reddit has been silent since it began, and internal memos indicate that they think they can wait us out."</p> <p>In one internal memo <a href="https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/13/23759559/reddit-internal-memo-api-pricing-changes-steve-huffman" target="_blank" rel="noopener">leaked to The Verge</a> earlier this week, Huffman warned employees <a href="https://www.businessinsider.com/reddit-blackout-ceo-steve-huffman-memo-employees-reddit-swag-2023-6?r=US&IR=T">not to wear Reddit branded clothing</a> in public.</p> <p>"Some folks are really upset, and we don't want you to be the object of their frustrations," he wrote.</p> <p>"There's a lot of noise with this one. Among the noisiest we've seen," he added, per The Verge. "Please know that our teams are on it, and like all blowups on Reddit, this one will pass as well."</p> <p>Huffman told NBC there was no set timeline for his proposed changes. He also said he wasn't going to have paid Reddit staff become more involved in subreddit moderation.</p> <p>"What I'm suggesting as a pathway out is actually more democracy," he said. "We've got some old, legacy decisions on how communities are run that we need to kind of work our way out of."</p> <div class="read-original">Read the original article on <a href="https://www.businessinsider.com/reddit-ceo-will-change-rules-to-make-mods-less-powerful-2023-6">Business Insider</a></div><!-- /wp:html -->

Reddit CEO Steve Huffman.

Reddit CEO Steve Huffman thinks the site’s mods are too powerful.
He said he plans to change the rules so users can vote them out.
He said the current system is “not democratic” and compared it to a “landed gentry.”

Reddit CEO Steve Huffman thinks the site’s mods are too powerful. He said he plans to change the rules so users have the power to vote the moderators of subreddits out, in an interview with NBC on Thursday.

He said the current system, where mods can only be removed by themselves, higher-ranking mods, or Reddit itself, is “not democratic” and compared it to a “landed gentry.”

“If you’re a politician or a business owner, you are accountable to your constituents. So a politician needs to be elected, and a business owner can be fired by its shareholders,” he told NBC.

“And I think, on Reddit, the analogy is closer to the landed gentry: The people who get there first get to stay there and pass it down to their descendants, and that is not democratic.”

Huffman’s comments followed a 48-hour blackout that close to 3,500 subreddits took part in on Monday and Tuesday, where users protested Reddit’s new pricing policy.

Reddit implemented charges for third-party apps using its application programming interface (API), which used to be free.

The iOS app Apollo, for example, which has been using the API for eight years, said it would cost $20 million to continue under the new pricing guidelines. Rather than pay, the app’s developer Christian Selig said it would be closing down on June 30, Ars Technica reported.

“I don’t see how this pricing is anything based in reality or remotely reasonable,” he said per Ars Technica. “I hope it goes without saying that I don’t have that kind of money or would even know how to charge it to a credit card.”

Reddit mods hold a lot of power, and many believe it has been earned due to the amount of unpaid labor they put into the site. Researchers from University of Minnesota Twin Cities and Northwestern University estimated in a study last year that the amount of hours worked by mods in 2020 was worth $3.4 million.

Huffman didn’t appear worried that another rule change would result in more protests. He told NBC it was “really important” to ensure “protests, now or in the future, are actually representative of their communities.”

“And I think that may have been the case for many at the beginning of this week, but that’s less and less the case as time goes on,” he said, suggesting the support for mods may be wavering.

While around 80% of subreddits are accessible again, some large ones including r/aww, r/videos, and r/AskHistorians remain inaccessible, saying in a recent post titled “The Fight Continues” that their “core concerns still aren’t satisfied.”

“Reddit has budged-microscopically,” the organizers wrote. “Reddit has been silent since it began, and internal memos indicate that they think they can wait us out.”

In one internal memo leaked to The Verge earlier this week, Huffman warned employees not to wear Reddit branded clothing in public.

“Some folks are really upset, and we don’t want you to be the object of their frustrations,” he wrote.

“There’s a lot of noise with this one. Among the noisiest we’ve seen,” he added, per The Verge. “Please know that our teams are on it, and like all blowups on Reddit, this one will pass as well.”

Huffman told NBC there was no set timeline for his proposed changes. He also said he wasn’t going to have paid Reddit staff become more involved in subreddit moderation.

“What I’m suggesting as a pathway out is actually more democracy,” he said. “We’ve got some old, legacy decisions on how communities are run that we need to kind of work our way out of.”

Read the original article on Business Insider

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